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Native Advertising with Chad Pollitt


For me, the concept of advertising has always been a bit of a paradox. As business professionals, we seek to grow our companies, and we need successful and scalable distribution channels that allow us to promote and share our products and services. Yet as consumers, I think we can all agree that many forms if advertising feels intrusive, annoying, and over time, exhausting. The average American gets hit with over 5,000 marketing messages a day, and with the advent of new communication mediums like social media, and emerging technologies like AR and VR, that number is poised to only dramatically grow. Yet as consumers, we also love buying things, don’t we? We love discovering new products and services that enrich our lives and creates a more convenient and frictionless lifestyle.

This thirst by consumers, in turn, is what fuels entrepreneurship, creating the foundation of economic growth and technological evolution. So what’s the future destiny of this interconnected relationship? Will society evolve into a, sort of, dystopian future of interruption-based advertising? Think Fifteen Million Merits episode from “Black Mirror” here, or is there an alternative model of advertising, one that respects our privacy, feels immersive, relevant, and most importantly, creates a win-win between consumer and advertiser?

To answer these questions and more, I’ve decided to invite Chad Pollitt, to this episode of Innovators. Chad is a member of the Forbes Top 100 list. He’s author of “The Native Advertising Manifesto,” and “The Content Promotion Manifesto,” and “51 Things Your Mother Taught You about Internet Marketing.” Nice title, Chad.

As the author of relevance.com and Vice President of Empowered, I was excited to speak to Chad and to ask him about the future of advertising, and how to create marketing messages that felt relevant and immersive for consumers. Chad is famous for saying “The end of advertising, as we know it, is near.” So to start, I decided to ask Chad to talk to us about what he meant by such a bold and powerful statement.


First off, that was the title of a report that Forrester released in this, I believe, the summer of 2017. So that’s Forrester looking…that’s not one analyst, it was several analysts that did this project. But they were looking out into the future and they’re like, “Dude, advertising, like we know it, is going away.” And they did that with lots of evidence. I mean, the fact of the matter is between ad-blockers and the attitude of millennials and Gen-Z, advertising, as we know it, is unsustainable. I mean, if you think about it, P&G, Proctor and Gamble, last year, they pulled from digital advertising. So, from display, from interruptive advertising.

And they did that for a good reason because the CMO didn’t trust it. He’s like, “Something’s not right here. There’s not enough transparency. Let’s pull this.” And you know what happened after they pulled it, Phillip? Nothing. It had no discernible impact on their business. None. Not on their marketing KPIs, not on the sales KPIs, nothing. What does that tell us? Well, it simply tells us that the average consumer out there online has the ability to simply block or ignore those messages. And that’s where native advertising comes in.

Native advertising is the solution to the interruptive advertising problem that we have today. Native advertising…and I’m paraphrasing the Native Advertising Institute, which I used to be a part of and a partner of, is basically, any advertising that fits the form, field, and function of the organic content that surrounds it, okay? It’s not about tricking people, it’s about being transparent and having advertising in the thread. So think about you on your cell phone in your feed. Having an ad unit within that feed that looks organic, that’s clearly defined as sponsored.

Consumers are much more likely to interact and engage with that type of [inaudible 00:04:57].


Listening to Chad, I felt both excited as an advertiser, and also relieved as a consumer by the idea of advertising as being something less interruptive, more relevant. But I also wanted to understand that native advertising better, so I decided to ask Chad what the difference was between native advertising and other advertising terms I was already familiar with, such as Facebook and Google advertising.


Facebook advertising actually technically is native advertising. So it fits that definition I just described. PPC, according to the AIB…or IAB, excuse me, PPC is native advertising. I bucket that outside of native advertising because it’s its own unique form of advertising. But if you want to compare and contrast these different platforms, what you really need to do is think about where your content resides in the funnel. And I’m a KISS guy, Keep It Simple Stupid. I learned that in the army.

You got top-funnel content, middle-funnel content, and bottom-funnel content. That’s how I communicate it. Keep It Simple. Where native advertising is really, really, really good, in most cases, it’s top-funnel to mid-funnel content. What you just talked about, PPC, Google AdWords, is really good at bottom-funnel content. Bottom-funnel content is the stuff that’s trying to sell you now. Top-funnel content is the article that you quoted earlier that I wrote. So there’s a vast difference in what is trying to get you to do in that content.

Native advertising generally is a top to mid funnel affair. Outside of that, there are some native advertising solutions that are good for bottom-funnel content. According to the IAB, Google AdWords is a form of native advertising and that’s good for bottom-funnel content. Now, like I said, I bucket that different. I don’t include it as native advertising for what I do. A good example of a hard-hitting native advertising at the bottom of the funnel is Amazon advertising. Amazon is killing it right now. They are poised to pull massive amounts of spend from Google and Facebook, the duopoly, to make a name for themselves doing native advertising.

If you are on your phone on Amazon, and you go down your feed, you’re going to see sponsored posts. That’s native advertising, and its bottom-funnel content. That’s how you want to think about native advertising. You want to think about where that content lies in the funnel. Mostly, native advertising is good for top-funnel content, mostly, with some exceptions like Amazon or PPC.


I think what Chad is hinting at here is that although bottom of the funnel advertising content, such as offers, discounts, links to “buy now,” has its place, the consumers also have more broad questions, topics, and information they would like to learn more about. And by answering these questions with top-of-the-line content, you can focus on building trust and community with your market, while also adding value into their daily lives as consumers. Let’s listen in to Chad now, as he talks about how emerging technologies like AI and programmatic optimization can enhance your ad spin, and get you a better return on your investment.


Let me split this up into two different technologies: programmatic and artificial intelligence. In some ways, programmatic is generally associated with AI, but it doesn’t have to be. Programmatic, generally speaking, is a technological way to look at supply and demand and markets in real time. Any form of online advertising that’s “programmatic” is a live marketplace, you know, just like the Dow Jones. It goes up, it goes down, supply and demand, blah, blah, blah. It impacts price. It impacts different aspects of the transaction. And it’s in real time. So that’s programmatic.

Now, the other thing that you described is an artificial intelligence optimization. We, as humans, we can do split testing, A/B testing, so on and so forth, and figure out, “Hey, this is better. This is better here. This is better there.” The thing is, artificial intelligence can do what 5000 humans can do in the same day. Turning over your testing, your optimization, whatever you’re optimizing towards, to artificial intelligence is a big deal. It gives you scale, it gives you speed, it can learn faster than you or I combined, times 10.

Having a layer of artificial intelligence, it sits over 40-plus layers of native advertising and social media networks can be a competitive advantage for any company trying to amplify their content. And that’s essentially the relationship between programmatic and AI. You want them both. The programmatic gives you the best cost based on market demands, and the AI gives you the best optimization. Now, we, as a company, we optimize towards content engagement where most individual networks, if you go to, say, Outbrain or Taboola or Nativo or Sharethrough or any of the other ones, their AI is going to optimize towards clicks. So there’s a big difference between clicks and actual content engagement.

A company called Chartbeat Analytics, who is the analytics du jour for the majority of publishers out there, the big publishers, to millions and millions of data points, figured out that after a click on a native ad, if that user spends 15 seconds or more with that content, 70% of those users will consume 80% of that content or more. So we’ve used that benchmark as our engagement number. So, basically, if anybody engages with content for 15 seconds or longer, then we charge the customer as opposed to a click. So, our customers only pay for 15 seconds or more of engagement with their content. They do not pay per click.

Now, since we’re connected to 40-plus social and native networks, we pay them based on clicks, but we charge our customers based on actual content engagement.


Now, let’s listen in as Chad helps us understand how to align the power of native advertising with your customers’ journey to create more relevance and engagement.


So, generally speaking, as I described previously, with few exceptions, native advertising is a mostly top-of-the-funnel form of advertising. Now, it goes down into the middle of the funnel and there’s some exceptions at the bottom of the funnel, like Amazon, what I described. Here’s the thing. If you look at content production priorities…actually, let’s go back 20 years. Content production 20 years ago was almost all at the bottom of the funnel. Companies didn’t have blogs answering questions or solving problems, and they definitely didn’t produce brochures, answering questions and solving problems at the top of the funnel. They just didn’t do it. They created bottom funnel content, catalogs, coupons, spec sheets, so on and so forth. Well, fast forward to today. What are companies doing?

Companies are producing massive amounts of top-funnel content. They’re not producing the same quantity of bottom-funnel content. How are budgets being spent? How is advertising budgets being spent online? The opposite. So, today, most of the money goes towards bottom-funnel content distribution, PPC, display advertising, sponsorships, so on and so forth. Real bottom funnel, that’s where the money is being spent. Most of it. In fact, your listeners will be interested in knowing that based on my own research, the average television executive, for every dollar they spend on content creation, on creative, they spend $5 on distribution.

You know what the average content marketer spends? The opposite. What I’m saying is we need to align our priorities in content with our priorities in our distribution budget. So we need to flip that funnel. We need to spend more on top-funnel content promotion than we do on bottom funnel today. And I will say some companies have got this and it’s starting to change, but we’re not quite there yet, but it’s happening.


As I was thinking about the beginning of this interview segment with Chad, and how he talked about the end of advertising as we know it, perhaps what’s happening here is we’re witnessing the transmutation of advertising as we know it, where in the coming years, we’re going to see less and less brands shouting their names and products and annoying consumers, and more brands building massive amounts of content-rich information that adds to the total volume of valuable information available to consumers through the internet. How exciting.

I decided to ask Chad about the difference between native advertising 1.0 and native advertising 2.0., and what that meant for advertisers who are tasked with managing large advertising budgets for their companies and clients.


So what most people, what most marketers or entrepreneurs or anyone delving into the native space is doing is going direct to the platform, which is fine, if that meets your goals and helps you accomplish what you need to accomplish. But the fact of the matter is that that’s not as much reach as you think. For example, if you go into Facebook and you set up a campaign, it may say that you’re reaching 2 million people and that’s great. But with a DSP, which I described before as a demand-side platform that sits above the networks, you can access 10, 20, 30, 40-plus native advertising and social media networks at the same time, on the same platform.

To get scale like that and native 1.0, means you have to have accounts set up on 40-plus native and social networks, and monitor campaigns and A/B test on all 40-plus. With the DSP, you don’t have to do that. You’ve got one interface to access over 40 networks and really scale your distribution. I mentioned Facebook at, say, 20 million. Now, it’s 1 billion people, right? Big difference. Big difference.


As the interview drew towards the end, I decided to ask Chad to share with us any last pieces of advice and wisdom he could share to help us improve the quality and results of our content and native advertising efforts.


I’m actually going to take a step back from native advertising, and sit in my content marketing seat. I’ve been fortunate enough in my career where I’ve been able to do a lot of content creation. I mean, I’ve been in the space a long time. I’ve written over 1000 articles. I’ve been on stage over 100 times. I’ve written over 10 books. I will tell you that it all started from the first article that I wrote. As an entrepreneur as a business person, if you’re an expert in your field, you need to think about… Well, let me take a step back.

The way I create content and have for my entire career is I consider what I did, what I want to do, and what I’m going to do. And that’s how I write my content. And every time I write an article, or do a video, or do a podcast, it’s one more brick in the road to success. Now, given that I’ve been doing this for so long, I’ve got a pretty substantial road built with bricks that I get to walk on. The point is, content marketing is not something that you start and stop. It’s ongoing. It’s the pulse. It’s the beat of your business publicly. So, even if you do content marketing and get nothing, after a year, don’t stop.

Marcus Sheridan once said, “They ask, you answer.” He wrote a whole book on it. When it comes to content marketing, when it comes to your business, you solve problems, people go to the web to solve problems. They ask, you answer. You solve problems online. That’s what you do with content marketing.


Wow. I just really love this. That, “Content marketing is the pulse. It’s the beat of your business. Even if you get no results, don’t stop, don’t quit. Your job as a content marketer is to solve problems for your customers.” And perhaps, Chad’s answer here is also the solution to the paradox we discussed earlier. If the end of advertising, as we know it, is here, then what that means is that advertisers are going to spend less time disrupting consumers and more time solving their problems. And as more marketers do this, using diverse and creative mediums such as text, audio, video, and eventually, VR and AR, imagine the possibilities for our future as consumers. A world where literally the answer and solution to any question or problem would be available at our fingertips; a world where companies earned our business by serving us first and asking for our business last.

Thanks for joining me for another interview segment of Innovators where your future is now. Chad’s book, “Native Advertising Manifesto” can be found on his website at chadpollitt.com. You can also visit his company website at relevance.com. And, of course, you can listen to the full unedited version of this interview segment on our website at c9digital.com Thanks for joining me again, your host, as always, Philip Lew, as we take you, the listener, on a journey from panic to power.


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